
So, the question is...which albums from each decade (70s, 80s, 90s) received way too much hype and promotion? We all three pondered this question and included detailed reviews. Plus, which musically superior albums in the same time period should have gotten more attention and didn't? We included reviews of those also. And that's when the groaning and arguing started...
Here are the particulars about our guests.

While he's always been at the absolute forefront of the metal underground,
writing has remained more of a source of pleasure than income for Ray.
In addition to thousands of record and CD reviews, and interviewing hundreds
of artists, Ray has written liner notes for many releases including the
following: BUDGIE – “Budgie” (Roadrunner Records re-issue) BUDGIE – “Squawk”
(Roadrunner Records re-issue) LEGEND – “Retroshock 1981-1984” (CiCD Interactive)
More information on Ray can be found at the link above.

Martin is also senior editor and co-founder of Brave Words & Bloody Knuckles (an award winner that is one of the genre’s most respected magazines, currently in its tenth year), top record reviewer and interviewer at www.hardradio.com, and a contributor to Guitar World, Lollipop, Chart, Record Collector, Classic Rock, www.bravewords.com and www.chartattack.com. Approximately 30 additional print and internet publications have carried Martin’s byline. More information on Martin can be found at www.martinpopoff.com.

Marchman's overhyped pick: SUPERTRAMP - "Crime of the Century" 1974 (A&M)
Peak Billboard Chart Position: 38
Marchman's review: Most of us have been to see a magic show at one time or another. Obviously we go for some entertainment after working hard all week in the real world. Most magic acts incorporate a lot of flash, special effects, showy costumes, and exotic creatures. Of course, these serve the purpose of distracting us from scrutinizing the magician’s slight of hand. If we do overscrutinize this type of event, we may be at the mercy of other friends or family members saying, “Stop analyzing it! It’s supposed to be for fun!” Granted, a little break from reality can be just what the doctor ordered in a time of stress. Keeping everything in proper perspective is important.
The music scene in Britain in 1974 is booming on a global level. Stellar releases by bands like JETHRO TULL, GENESIS, and KING CRIMSON have made the world of British progressive rock all but irresistible to the rock enthusiast. SUPERTRAMP, while establishing quite a stir recently with this latest release, aren’t exactly newcomers to the music scene. The songwriting team of Richard Davies and Roger Hodgson have been gigging and recording together since the band’s inception in 1970. This LP, “Crime of the Century” is the band’s third-length album. It sports a radically different lineup than the band that created 1971’s “Indelibly Stamped”. New members Bob Seibenberg (drums), John Helliwell (sax) and Dougie Thompson (bass) along with top-notch producer (Ken Scott) and a new musical direction all come together in this magical attempt at progressive rock grandeur. Reactions to the disc thus far have largely been (as the previously mentioned scolding family members) exceedingly positive, based on the notion that this is a well-constructed concept album. Sadly, my impression after multiple spins is that “Crime of the Century” is long on flash and polish, and exceedingly short on substance, resulting in a magic act that simply falls flat.
Gone from this disc are long-winded TRAFFIC-styled compositions like the acoustic “Aries”. Instead, it appears that the band is shooting for a happy medium between the musical virtuosity of progressive rock and more radio-friendly pop music. But in the quest to serve both audiences, the band effectively serves neither by laboring on a set of songs that, while very well produced, simply lack the substance to get the job done.
Hodgson’s higher-pitched vocals strike the listener as unusual and perhaps intriguing for the first few tracks, before wearing thin as the album progresses. The first couple of singles, “Bloody Well Right” and “Dreamer” both sparkle with ice-droplet piano lines and great arrangements by Ken Scott. But these tunes still come across as rejects from past albums by THE WHO and PROCOL HARUM. “Dreamer” begins with a wonderful vocal-and-key intro that creates a degree of high drama, but the track capsizes and falls over after the first minute, going absolutely nowhere and sounding like the aural equivalent to a vehicle stuck in the mud.
The longest track on the album, “Rudy” clocks in at 7:07, but feels like a much longer song, as the tedious keyboard-upon-keyboard passages, occasional disco synths, and studio sound effects from Scott just seem to go on forever.
The high points of the record would definitely include “Hide in Your Shell”, the only real songwriting achievement that I could detect at all. Smart, quirky, hooks and very hummable choruses made me long for more tracks like this. The intertwining guitar melodies in the title track were also impressive, if fleeting. Beyond that, the track “Crime of the Century” fits in well with the rest of the album, an exercise in highly polished, well orchestrated filler material.
On the whole, “Crime of the Century” is very melodic and brassy. It is also an excruciatingly tedious and pretentious affair, by musicians with a great deal of talent, capable of much better. You’ll find yourself nodding along to a catchy vocal hook from Hudson, or perhaps a cool sax riff from Heliwell once in awhile, but those moments are few and far between. Indeed, fan as I am of magic and all things enchanting, “Crime of the Century” is not one of them.

Marchman's underrated pick: CRACK THE SKY - "Crack the Sky", 1975 (Lifesong)
Peak Billboard Chart Position: 161
Marchman's review: One of the most common questions I’m asked is, “So who’s the best, in your opinion? Best band, best guitar player…who?” Now, these types of questions are rarely asked of me by other critics, music collectors, or musicians. Rather, it’s typically those who “dabble” in music; business or sports types that see music as something to occupy the time they spend while driving. Once my identity as a music reviewer has been established at a dull party or on a long elevator ride, I may be asked something like this. My typical wry response is remarkably honest, but may be taken as an attempt to avoid answering. “Beats me. Probably a bunch of guys nobody’s ever heard of, making music in a basement in some nowhere town while they work day jobs flipping pizzas and sweeping arcade floors.” It’s a statement that calls to question the bizarre and ironic separation between our ideas of artistic talent and the realities of the music business “machine”.
At this point, I’ve spun this debut disc from CRACK THE SKY several times, and I’m convinced that fate has somehow gotten her wires crossed. Something has gone wrong in the delicate balance of the universe. I don’t know whether two planets collided and threw each other out of orbit, oil and water decided to mix somewhere, or perhaps one last dinosaur decided to survive. But something definitely has caused an unexpected chain of events that led to this band releasing an album. Forgive my incredulity. It’s just unheard of that a group of players with such obvious musical talent, none of whom I’ve heard of before (especially when you consider their residence in the musical Mecca that is Weirton, WV) that create such a captivating and original sound, actually get a chance to have their music heard by releasing an album. It appears that the aforementioned “bunch of guys” I’ve speculated about at parties has finally put out a record. Did Terry Minogue of Cashwest wander into the wrong bowling alley and run into these guys or something?
Well, enough speculation on the “how”, let’s focus on the “what”. Joe Recordbuyer gets nine tracks of highly original rock music with equal parts singer-songwriter charm, heavy rock bombast, and brilliant American humor. The music on this record blasts, tickles, grooves, soothes, and even pokes a little fun at the listener, but you’ll be having such a grand time, you’ll hardly notice. At times, it seems the music of CRACK THE SKY was created in a vacuum of pure originality, and then, in the blink of an eye, the band’s influences jump out, as plain as the nose on your face.
The raucous opener, the appropriately titled “Hold On”, roars from speaker to speaker, greeting the listener with CRACK THE SKY’s signature sound of blasting riffs and snaking, jazzy changes led by Joe Macre’s commanding basslines. Before you know it, the band is crashing into the next track, the barnstorming “Surf City”, a delightfully rockin’ track with quirky lyrics centering on a lighthearted search for identity. This track takes the energy level of the record up a few ticks from the opener with bold, harmonized leads from the guitar team of Rick Witkowski and Jim Griffiths. At this point, with such daring guitar sounds occupying the same space as gorgeous vocal harmonies and the aforementioned basslines, I realized I was in for something very special.
The combo of “Hold On” and “Surf City” rocks so hard, and creates such a temptation to stand on your seat and clap along; you would think that CTS would want to keep you there. But instead, the band completely changes gears in favor of the soft piano tones of “A Sea Epic”. Vocalist and main CTS songwriter John Palumbo truly shines in the execution of this hilarious account of a sailor lost at sea, pleading with the Lord to spare himself and the cook. “I’m sorry Lord. You know what’s best. But please would you at least spare the cook? For I’m very hungy, and by the looks of this ship, I’m gonna starve!” The piano sparkles with occasional bursts of guitar mayhem and some orchestration making this yet another exceptional and unusual track from this talented five-piece.
The rest of the album continues on in much the same way, juxtaposing Palumbo’s wacky lyrics and piano virtuosity against heavy metal guitars and beefy basslines. Lyrically, one could draw a common thread through the entire record as a lighthearted commentary on American materialism and “keeping up with the Joneses” mentality. It’s tough to pick a high point on the record, as the album moves in cycles, alternating bombastic rock, rousing piano balladry, harmonized vocals, orchestration, acoustic guitar, and some of the wittiest lyrics you’re ever likely to hear. If I had to pick a high point of the record, it would have to be the line in “Robots for Ronnie”, the pathetic story of the world’s most unpopular child, in which Palumbo matter-of-factly states “If Ronnie were to blow up, I don’t think anyone would care.”
If you’re one of those name-dropping types that needs some point of musical reference before plunking your money down for this, then I’d say think about mad BEATLES tunes like “Maxwell’s Silver Hammer” crossed with some tracks from ZAPPA’s “Over-Nite Sensation” record. That’s the best you’re going to get from me, as the sound of this band is exceedingly hard to pin down. Rather, think of this album the way you’d think of a great musical comedy. After watching it, you’re equally impressed with the talent and abilities of the performers, the strength of the story lines, the quality of the songs, and the number of times you laughed out loud during the performance. And perhaps most importantly, you want to see it again. In this context, I view the debut from CRACK THE SKY as an essential and (dare I say) important record. You’ll just have to experience it for yourself.
Ray Dorsey: I have to be really honest here and say that I cannot think of anything by SUPERTRAMP that I ever liked. They were one of those bands who used to just totally get on my fucking nerves! Roger Hodgson was one of the most irritating I've ever heard. I know, I'm somebody who could listen to the vocals in something like DEATH or BATHORY without any problem, and yet that fucker in SUPERTRAMP just grates on me, those higher vocals are like nails on a chalkboard! The music is also really just not anything special when it comes to being unique or different to me, and it's just very, very light-weight. I mean, I can listen to folk or something like IRON & WINE with just acoustic guitar and vox, but this is simply lightweight in feel and dynamics.
Marchman: Helliwell and Davies may have some vocal spots too. Or it may just be the production.
Dorsey: CRACK THE SKY...on the other hand, this album really is great! I remember the first time I heard "Mind Baby" on the radio. It got played around here right away and I remember I was on the way to the store (Luskins!!!) to pick up something and the minute I heard those opening chords, I was already making a change in buying plans. Then, when that absolutely heavy-as-hell coda came up, with that stop-start riff and that crunching guitar sound, it was all over. THAT was the album I was going to buy!!! And, there are no weak tracks!!! That album crunches, it's got great songs, and the band is tight as a nun's twat without sounding the least bit generic. As icing on the cake, Palumbo shows right away that he is not only a smart cookie lyrically, but also has a damn-wicked sense of humor. And, he's not a bad singer either....Great album.
Martin Popoff: See, I think this one is a case of the cream rising to the top (plus A&M just did a really good, uncommonly good job in the '70s) and the crap staying where it should. I at one point had ALL the CTS albums and likely still have most of them, and although I reveled in the quantity, the uniformity of look and the obscurity, I found them to be pretty untalented or at least unfocused, rough, recorded a bit harshly. I dunno, it's like they were sort of trying to be fussy and poppy and heavy all at once with rushed recordings and productions. SUPERTRAMP, on the other hand... HATED them as a kid and am still quite sick of them, but they did have that daringly overindulgent thing going. They were sort of over-worked '70s pop with chops, good recordings, a bit of a STEELY DAN jones AND a nice stoner sheen, this sort of FLOYD or 10 CC-ness that was just a hintly hint of exotic. I think this is a case of a band having all their ducks in a row, doing the right thing, making the right records with the right production and album covers and sound effects, vs. a band that sorta blew it on all those counts.
Marchman: Did he say STEELY DAN?
Dorsey: Hmmm....Man, I don't hear an iota of STEELY DAN in any SUPERTRAMP stuff. Hey, I knew STEELY DAN, and SUPERTRAMP was no STEELY DAN! (Didn't Lloyd Bentsen say something like that one time?) Anyway, yeah, I guess if it's all about selling, then SUPERTRAMP must've done something right. But then again, by the same token if that's all that matters, then swill like LINKIN PARK, PAPA ROACH and JET all must be doing something right too. That's ok, I'll take CRACK THE SKY. Maybe they were stupid about how to market themselves, were at the wrong place at the wrong time, etc, but gimme their music any day and that's what counts. Sadly, the cream is often denied the top by the decaffienated, watered-down stuff being poured in over it. Just ask Mike Jensen or Spike Xavier...not to mention John Palumbo or Rick Witkowski.
Marchman: Ironically, the Cash / West team that put out the CTS album also did production work prior to starting up the Lifesong label for .... A&M artists, of course. Martin - a limp argument, to say the least. The CTS albums have a raw, live, jaunty sound that just bulldozes over the listener. They did what the wanted to do, despite their incredible bad luck with the record company and lack of backing. SUPERTRAMP on the other hand is just plain laughable. Their A&M deal is largely due to the intervention of Sam (Stanley August Miesegaes), their Dutch "sugar daddy". They still felt it necessary to radically change their approach from the TRAFFIC acoustic-prog style to a much poppier format. Plus, the label gave them considerable backing and brought in Ken Scott to produce the album! Why not just include a free copy of "Crime of the Century" every time you buy a six-pack of Tab? Most of the CTS records never even landed in the right record stores upon their release.

Popoff: I'd say that with SUPERTRAMP, you've got to admire the craft, the variety, the layers and that CRACK THE SKY had none of that - the positive of versatility became confusion, although I dig the consistency of their cover arts (even if Supertramp's, overall, were more entertaining.) As well, SUPERTRAMP had hooks and memorable songs... listen to me, I mortally hated SUPERTRAMP all my life and even now it's more like... it reminds of a time and it's for people like me, my age, classic rock fans. But yes, Try as I may, I could never really internalize, get into, make sense of, put in chronological order, all those CRACK THE SKY albums. And I hated that weird label they were on. Sorta creeped me out.
Marchman: I'd say its no contest. In a nutshell, the first CTS album is "I Am The Walrus" colliding with white-boy coke jazz. It's tuxedos, sneakers, cold beer, and gritty Fender leads. SUPERTRAMP on the other hand, is about white-haired, college professors with berets, riding around in their Jettas, searching for enlightenment in their frappuccino. Some triva as well - Bob Benberg actually married sister of whom? (70s rock god that actually considered joing the TRAMP camp around the time they picked up Helliwell). Any guesses?
Dorsey: Who? Benberg from SUPERTRAMP?
Marchman: Yeah, Benberg married Scott Gorham's sister Vicki. He also convinced Scott to come over to England and possibly join SUPERTRAMP, but it never happened. Pretty soon, Gorham had joined THIN LIZZY. Don't you just love the 70s? Who's up next?

Popoff's overhyped pick: DEF LEPPARD - "Pyromania", 1983 (PolyGram)
Peak Billboard Chart Position: 2
Martin's review: Superstardom arrives, and so begins an unstoppable physical and creative degeneration. Musically, "Pyromania" is a direct evolution from its stirring predecessor, however Mutt Lange’s much bally-hooed production is sabotaged (in my opinion) by a disheartening over-electrolysis of the drum sound, and an unwarranted, un-rock’n’roll, painstaking approach to detail that strips what is actually a fairly heavy album of its sweat and grit. Some more than acceptable weekend rock here, and an emphasis again on big beat and mega-huge atmosphere, while Elliott’s vocals sound strained and distantly mixed as if drowning by design. Harmonies are mechanical and ultra-layered (I think the appropriate word is PHONY), and the overall sound is just too calculated and larger than life to rock, let alone breathe. Of course, somewheres around ten million fans might disagree (the record was officially seven times platinum by ‘88), but to me this marked the beginning of the odious decline to the abysmal muzak wretch that is Hysteria. However, no argument with glorious explosions like "Stagefright" and "Die Hard The Hunter".

Popoff's underrated pick: KICK AXE - "Vices", 1984 (Pasha)
Peak Billboard Chart Position: 126
Marchman: Why do you think 'Vices' didn't make it big? It seems the band certainly had backing, at least initially...I remember (and may still have) the writeups in HIT PARADER and similiar zines shouting praises for the album. Not to mention the label and the presence of Proffer (obviously a talented producer with connections....and a fascination for poodle rock). Thier later albums were touted on the Metalshop playlists as well.
Popoff: Why didn't they make it? Management were apparently crooks and the organization were doing more drugs and drink than the band, which was also a lot.
Marchman: The KICK AXE album still doesn't really do much for me. I remember picking up a vinyl copy sometime in 84, along the same time as WHITE WOLF's first album. While neither album had me doing cartwheels, I actually prefered the WHITE WOLF, kind of dismissing the KICK AXE album as having "the HELIX sound" (ugh!). I know the band paid their dues, slugging it out in clubs since the mid/late 70s before catching their break, but in the final analysis, comparing the slick, well-promoted Pasha-released "Vices" to LEPPARD's obviously overrated "Pyromania", haven't you kind of picked "eggshell" over "off-white" ?
Popoff: Correction, KICK AXE had been going since the mid-'70s. In fact, "Heavy Metal Shuffle" was written in 1975! I just think that album SHOWS the dimension, hue, versatility of a band that is that old - yet I didn't know how long they'd been around when I first praised it to the hills. Also, there weren't a lot of clichès , the band "held back" and went sort of slow and chunky, and they had an incredible vocalist/stylist/technician in George. Every song on that damn record is different from the last, and there was always a sense of irony - "Maneater - an isatiable lust for flesh!" The way that line is delivered is with a wink. Now DEF LEPPARD - they were already beginning what would become the biggest sell-out in hard rock history, matched only by AEROSMITH and no one else for miles down the line. Clichès were everywhere, the much vaunted production values of the album now merely sound dated, and EVEN THEN, no one gave a damn about the production. It was thought, eh, OK, a little too faked, as are the vocal harmonies. These much vaunted vocals were actually LOUSIER harmonies than those of say QUEEN or SWEET. They sounded sterile - so why all the praise? Plus, Joe clearly can't sing. He sort of "snivels." But I don't hate this record. I hate "Hysteria" and Adrenalize, so yeah, I see your point. I'd give Vices a 10 and Pyromania a 7. But we're talking overrated. "Vices" sold maybe (and I know this number because I asked Larry, but I'm too lazy to look up) 120,000 in the states. "Pyromania "is something like 10,000,000. WHITE WOLF sorta sucked, a little loose-bolted, unready, half-baked, like the first "heavy" HELIX album. "Vices" was full-blooded, confident, mature, but still fun.
Dorsey: With both of the albums involved, man it's been a long time since I listened to either all the way through! Of course, I've been the victim of the "Pyromania"-osmosis over the years. You really couldn't help but hear what was played from it, even trying to avoid radio as much as I have over time. I still remember the first time I heard "Pyromania," I could not believe how fucking horrible it was after the first two. Man, the guitar sound is just as flaccid as can be. I remember a friend of mine was at the record store where I worked and all he kept saying was, it sounded like their guitars were not even plugged in. Absolute total sellout record, but then again, even that doesn't sound nearly as bad when you line it up with "Hysteria." What an absolute pussy record that was. On KICK AXE, very interesting to hear this again, I'd forgotten it really. To be honest....well, it is just not doing a whole lot for me, but I must say that it is surely still better than "Pyromania." Kudos to the drum sound, as the drums do have that Bonham-kinda thud. But the music, well, it just is not really up there for me with something like even the Rhett Forrester-era RIOT, and that was the lesser of the RIOT stuff. In listening to KICK AXE, it does seem like maybe they could have mixed it up more with the rhythms from song to song and that would have made this a more interesting listen.
Marchman: Ray is kind. Yeah, if you read what I said "mid to late 70s", there's no need for correction. And I agree that WHITE WOLF is nothing to write home about. I just lump it in because I came back from the record store with those two titles (and maybe a RAVEN album, if my memory is correct...!) It's funny, because even now, as then, the KICK AXE album sounds somewhat mechanical to me. The drums on "Heavy Metal Shuffle" and the PRIEST-anthem stylings of "On The Road To Rock" still leave me flat. The cover of "Thirty Days in the Hole" that they did (was that on that album?) is cringe-worthy. As for me, I think for a time period like the early 1980s, I would have liked to have seen some of the obscene amount of LEPPARD's praise and money go to bands like RIOT (obviously the 'real' RIOT lineup that cranked out "Fire Down Under" / "Restless Breed" / "Born In America" would be my favorite time period for the band.) Total straight-ahead metal attack with a keen sense of melody and real rock balls. Maybe I'd go for the first HEXX album, maybe something by GASKIN, or CULPRIT's "Guilty As Charged" over KICK AXE for the time period. Not sure.
Popoff: Yech! Man oh man, that CULPRIT album does NOT hold up. I remeber the hype at the time but it's pretty horrible. GASKIN pretty much sucked too, but had their rip-roarin' magic moments. Hexx weren't so hot either. But yes, I and a ton of metalheads agree that RIOT should have been huge - "Narita" and "Fire Down Under" scorched! But KICK AXE as mechanical - that was a unique thing about them. They intentionally were sluggish and it was brilliant - it came from the band's love of SABBATH and the drummer's love of Bonham and his thick grooves. That's why "On The Road To Rock" is so cool - it is restrained and sounds like it's wrestling with its bulk.
Dorsey: Talking about CULPRIT, after seeing the mention of it, I just hauled that out & spun it. Whew! Man, I thought I remembered that being a lot better than that! I also pulled out HAWAII's first one, and even with the pretty horrendous recording, that totally shredded the CULPRIT. This got me on a little old-Shrapnel kinda bent and now I'm listening to the LE MANS album, the one on Shrapnel. I actually like this better than CULPRIT. GASKIN, the first one, what was that called "End Of The World" or something? That had a kinda ANGEL WITCH feel on some cuts, not as great as the first AW record by any means, but some similarities (some similar Binks-ian drum fills). I remember getting the 2nd GASKIN and thinking it was a piece of shit and selling it immediately.
Marchman: At any rate, I'm in agreement with everything that's been said regarding "Pyromania". I just don't think the song craft is there either, when compared with the first two. There are maybe a couple of tracks on the whole thing, that if you strip away the THOUSANDS of layers of production, would be good acoustic songs."Foolin", "Too Late" maybe, and "Comin' Under Fire"... but the rest...no thanks. I agree with Ray about the HAWAII discs (and that VIXEN stuff too w/ Friedman!). But really, despite's Martin's articulate responses ("that album sucks"), I'm gonna say I'll stick with CULPRIT tracks like "Tears of Repentance" and "Same To You" along with the previous discs I mentioned over anything on that KICK AXE disc.

Popoff: All that Shrapnel stuff sounds pretty laughable now, even HAWAII, but, I was surprised, especially CULPRIT! The over-busy drumming, clichès, bad recordings, silly fills from everybody, speeding up, slowing down... yeesh! "Pyromania" I think did have a bunch of pretty good songs, "Foolin", "Die Hard The Hunter", "Billy's Got A Gun". In fact I'd almost grudgingly give them the fact that the songs were better structured and more mature, but man, it is the beginning of a huge sell-out, and I love how really, all that money was a waste, 'cos no one NOW thinks that it sounds all that great or, in fact, that silly little production details even matter.
Marchman: Bad recordings, speeding up and slowing down? There's
aspects of these elements in a lot of my favorite records. Sorry, but
it's not all about production. CULPRIT, HEXX or HAWAII, may not have had
the pleasure of working with people like Tom Allom early in their career.
Sure, I know these albums weren't exactly the second coming of "The Wall"
production-wise, but I'd rather hear a bunch of kids that can barely play
banging out VENOM covers with attitude than all the super-slick coke party
blowjob albums of the early 1980s. There's more great guitar licks on
the first two HEXX albums than anything that's been mentioned so far.
Like I said before, and without beating a dead horse, KICK AXE hits me
the same way "Pyromania" does. Couple of good songs, and lots of "let's
rock 'n roll" early HELIX fodder (and BTW, even in 84, "Heavy Metal Shuffle"
was even more clichèd than "Rock Rock Til You Drop"), but we can agree
to disagree and move on.

Dorsey's overhyped pick: FATES WARNING – “Parallels” 1991 (Metal Blade)
Peak Billboard Chart Position: 20 (Heatseekers)
Ray's review: Ah, “progressive metal.” What does it mean? It’s the same dilemma, albeit a narrower one, that is “what is progressive rock?” Does it indicate a style, in that all bands who sound like QUEENSRYCHE (ok, maybe like QR used to sound) are “progressive metal?” Or does it mean the metal band that’s truly branching out, trying uncharted things and…Jesus!!!...NOT sounding like frigging QUEENSRYCHE?!?! Well, I guess you see what side of the fence I come down on! But anyway…FATES WARNING, from the USA (Connecticut) began their album output in the early ‘80’s armed with a singer who seriously got on my fucking nerves. John Arch was his name and he sounded for all the world like someone who was having a vice tightened on his testicles every 2 or 3 notes. Really, the guy went up & down, up & down, spewing out melodies that probably made sense on another planet but were so all-over-the-place that they made my head spin. To his credit, on albums like “A Night On Brocken” & “Awaken The Guardian,” he did have a sound that had to be called unique, certainly way-discernable from Geoff Tate, Bruce Dickinson, etc. It must also be said that his lyrics were thoughtful, well-written and actually very interesting. Musically, the band, led by guitarist Jim Matheos, was not anything to set the world on fire but on these early records they did represent a palatable mixture of Maiden & a bit of ‘Ryche, oft-stretched paper-thin over hyper-extended songs.
With the “No Exit” album in, ’88 I think it was, FW came closest to making a truly great LP. Arch departed and vocalist Ray Alder joined. His style was less jarring and the musical heaviness remained, with surprisingly engaging compositions, even on the side-long “Ivory Gate Of Dreams.” While the lyrics were not as poetically descriptive as Arch’s, they were decent & you could actually understand them without keeping your eye glued to the printed version. It was after this point, in my opinion however, that whatever songwriting ability FATES WARNING had started kicking around the idea of leaving town. I remember hearing the “Perfect Symmetry” disc and thinking that they’d gotten sort of bland. On the strength of the MTV hit “Through Different Eyes,” the band had become one of a kinda “Big 3” of prog-metal (along with QR and DREAM THEATER) and while the aforementioned “Through…” was catchy enough, the rest sounded pretty flat & faceless.
However, all that being said, this one still blows away the 1991 release, “Parallels.” I must say that, in the period of time I’ve listened to music, it would be difficult for me to pick an album much more devoid of emotion, memorability or signposts of any kind than this one. I have listened to “Parallels” several times now in writing this piece and I can remember virtually nothing about the songs. What we have are 4-8 minute chunks of playing that could be called metal, were they not suffocated so completely with a glossy Terry Brown production sheen (think the shitty later RuUSH era) that castrates any balls they would have had. The guitars are tragically polished and the riffs, could they be called that (somehow the word “riffs” implies “kicking ass,” which removes it from this album’s discussion) are so blasé as to be self-erasing from one’s mind. To say that Ray Alder’s vocals on “Parallels” sound tired would be like saying you might be a little winded after riding a full Tour De France. And, I can understand why. If you’ve had several cups of coffee or a 32 oz. Mountain Dew, sit down with the lyric booklet (or better yet, stay standing, that may keep you awake). I think it needs to be said that the texts to numbers (more like stretches of aimless wandering) like “Leave The Past Behind,” “Point Of View” and “Don’t Follow Me” are some of the most bland, uninspiring and ineffectual I can think of. I’m imagining, although not sure why anyone would bother, that you could switch lines from one song to another and have it all end up making just as much sense as it did before. Again, not a John Arch fan here but, trust me friends, this is parsecs away from “Morgan on my sill of frost!” Like I said, these guys were pretty damn popular when this thing was out and played a place called Hammerjacks in Baltimore. I was given a ticket through a music industry connection at the time, so I went. I remember my favourite thing about the show being the NAPALM DEATH shirt (?!?!) that Alder was wearing. I also remember Jim Matheos standing there playing with a ditzy-looking smile that reminded me of one of those fake-pop-jazz-musos like Kenny G. And, in reality, that’s what this album reminds me of. Shallow, hollow stuff for the masses who think they’re intelligent and are impressed by good playing without a whole lot to stand behind it…surely not my idea of “progressive metal.” But, it sold so what do I know?

Dorsey's underrated pick: MIND OVER FOUR – “Half Way Down" 1993 (Restless)
Peak Billboard Chart Position: N/A
Ray's review: Being a sports fan, I’ve always liked records & the trivia that goes along with ‘em. You know, like “Name an Oriole catcher who hit 4 doubles in a 9-inning game?” Dave Duncan. Well, ok you get the idea. Consequently, my interest in things like that spills over into music and hence, the question: “Name a band who put out 6 albums, each on a different label?” And, of course you know I’m going to tell you the answer to this one: California’s MIND OVER FOUR. From the release of their self-pressed “Desperate Expression” (each copy complete with it’s own hand-drawn cover!) in 1983 up through their swan song, “Empty Hands” in 1995, this 4-piece went on a sojourn that took them from Triple X Records to Destiny to Caroline to Restless to Fierce. Each successive commercial failure went hand-in-hand with virtually no label support, sporadic touring and a trip each time back to the Left Coast to snag regular jobs again while writing new songs & shopping for a deal. An added little twist to the story is that in the midst of all this business futility, the band consistently produced some of the most unique, vital and yes, “progressive” metal I’ve had the pleasure to hear.
Interestingly enough, that initial “Desperate Expression” was not really very heavy. It’s a crazily rare record and probably the quirkiest of them all, having a sound more akin to NOMEANSNO than metal, quite short in length but featuring M/4’s longest song. “Out Here,” in 1987 saw the guitars of Michael Jensen really beginning to become more of a force, although the record could probably still be called more of a college-rock-type sound. Still, cuts like “The Other With The Other/The Letter” were like an icy breath of fresh air, with Jensen sounding like a metalized-early-Edge and Spike Xavier’s vocals taking on a distinct Sean Harris rich wail. Lyrical statements like “…Listened to Bowie…he gave me a new anatomy” were odd and striking. The first MIND OVER FOUR album to really exemplify a “heavy” guitar sound was 1989’s self-titled opus on the German Destiny label. Jensen must have bought a couple extra Marshalls for this one, as the amp-ed up axe volume gave an extra kick to some of the band’s coolest songs yet, like “Vernal Equinox” and “The Black Orgasm.”
The lean toward things more crushing continued on 1990’s “The Goddess.” With this record, everything MIND OVER FOUR had done seemed to come into sharp focus. Their ability to play heavily, certainly metal songs, and yet infuse them with melody and structural ideas that were at once unusual and yet never overblown. It may seem like a misnomer to some to consider this band “progressive” metal when their songs were usually in the 3-4 minute range, but they managed to pack more into something like “Ice Water Steam” or “Autumn’s Here” than a lot of so-called prog-metal acts could in a 10 minute opus. That being said, “The Goddess” also features one of the band’s only real attempts at such an epic, “Prayer For The Dying/The Goddess.” Having none of the pompous pseudo-intelligence of the tweedle-prog crowd, it flows more like a series of interconnected songs, a mini-metallic-Side-Two-of-Abbey-Road deal. I remember at the time that I was thinking “The Goddess” was going to be M/4’s centerpiece. That was until “Half Way Down” hit my mailbox in 1993.
I remember seeing the cover, a green exposure of Spike Xavier at the microphone on the cover and then opening it to see a similar shot of Jensen in mid-stroke on his Les Paul, hair flying in true metal form. My mind went back to the cover of “Vol. 4…” but who could hope for such greatness from anybody?!?! Well, these guys came damn close on this one. As full-on metal as they would ever be, MIND OVER FOUR offer up an absolute clinic in merging top-level musicianship with original song ideas and lyrics on this disc. Listen to “Barriers & Passages,” “Jack The Throne,” “Funny Pocket” or “Coffee.” Tell me one song you have ever heard that sounds anything like any of them. Sure, you can tack 15 different rhythm changes together, write some words about dungeons & dragons and call it prog-metal. But meld together crushing guitars, flowing riffs & riveting vocals into a song that sounds different enough to have come from another planet and yet kick-ass enough to get you rolling down the car windows and that’s the definition for me.
“Half Way Down” is truly a magnificent work by a fantastic band operating at their very peak, with no artistic interference and nothing to limit them but the panorama of their own talent. Rich Castillo and Mark Fullerton lay down rhythms that are anything but just that. In the manner of Side Two of the first SABBATH disc, they go way beyond laying down a beat, taking a cue from jazz masters by moving to counterpoints and off-time stuff yet still bashing your skull. Over it, Jensen is a crush-master, guitar set to stun and laying down riffs who’s creativity is right there with someone like Piggy of VOIVOD…and, wildly, the subtleties, the brushstrokes he began to dabble in as far back as “Out Here” are still in sure evidence. Finally, atop the controlled maelstrom, Spike Xavier gives a vocal performance for the ages. His voice is at once resonant and commanding and yet in a second can move to punk-like snottiness without missing a beat. Lyrics like those in “Jack The Throne” speak at once from the streets and from stark intelligence: “We witness a country in decline…America…schools are closing, artists are crying…screaming bloody murder as they mourn their fallen majesty…the young boys hold their drunk mother…they love her, they find it hard to pledge of allegiance…they find it hard to believe that god shed his grace on thee…steel fibers in my soul.” There’s very little that can remain to be said about “Half Way Down.” It’s one of those records (Ok, CD’s) that to me, hits on all 8 cylinders from beginning to end. For MIND OVER FOUR, they achieved not only their heaviest, most metallic sound on this disc, but also took an unusual, at-times-quirky style of writing and elevated it to a level here that needs no washes of keyboards, nor 20-minute opuses, nor concept pieces about Greek mythology to be utterly progressive. Massive.
Popoff: Ray, I agree with you, although the strange thing is, I'd put the final products (FW and MOF) closer in final value. But it's the philosophical abstracts that really put the MOF in better light. Both albums were progressive metal, yet FATES WARNING had more to do with the corporate, clean, almost hair band mentality, especially at that time, and MIND OVER FOUR had more to do with post-punk, post-grunge, wild, unpredictable, underground mentality, which of course is cooler!
Marchman: Indeed. While I think my favorite MOF album is "Empty Hands", there's an undeniable streak of creative groove-heavy edginess that penetrates their albums. Stuff like "Barriers and Passages" still sounds radical. I always thought Spike and Co. would get snatched up by the Rip generation. They seemed like the perfect bridge to link up fans of QUEENSRYCHE, PRIMUS, even JANES ADDICTION and up-and-comers like TOOL. Sadly, the don't seem to get get any credit for the transition. Not to mention that they pushed the envelope musically without binding themselves to that KANSAS / ELP formula.
Popoff: I got to interview Spike for that album (or the one after) and he was a really smart, thoughtful, creative dude. I was VERY impressed. I love the way that band changed and surprised the listener so much. Really, it's just a parallel to grunge which I thought was one of the most magical moments in music history, this ass-kicking of hard rock with something BRAVE. Spike's band was all about that. They were literate, complicated, obstinate, and probably, weirdly, most seductively (round the back door) of all, they were in no hurry to impress with hooks. It was a little atmospheric and ragged, much like the item from grunge that was most filled with a strange alien integrity - the first SOUNDGARDEN EP. Fact is, MIND OVER FOUR was defiantly original, and FATES WARNING , like I say, especially at that time, despite being prog metal, was sort of aseptic, second-guessing, corporate, self-important, and snobby.
Dorsey: It's interesting, you look at a band you mentioned like KANSAS and surely you can hear aspects of them in later things by FW and DREAM T, albeit far more watered-down. KANSAS had the idea of what doing something new was. Listen to "Song For America," the title song or even "Incomudro- Hymn To THe Atman" or stuff on "Masque." That was totally different than what, say a contemporary like YES were doing, with incorporating the violin, multiple lead vocalists and even aspects of harder guitar rock and things like bluegrass. But FW at the point of "Parallels" were offering nothing that hadn't been done before by QUEENSRYCHE , etc. Of course, later in life, KANSAS really went down the crapper big time! But not before doing some great stuff.

Marchman: SOUNDGARDEN. Ahhh, that early "Screaming Life" stuff. I'm going to dig that out.
Dorsey: Absolutely. SOUNDGARDEN were one of the ones that "made it through the cracks." And, speaking of cracks, another from that late '80's / early '90's era that shoulda been bigger but wasn't was LAST CRACK. Again, great hard rock/metal base, ripping musicianship and yet adding something quite intelligent and very left-field on each outing that made them sound vital and uncompromising. Also a monster band live, too. And again, nothing, really, in the large-scale, in terms of any kind of notoriety.
Marchman: Well, this has been a good one. It's great to spend some time with a couple of other guys that are as fanatically far-gone as me with this stuff.
Dorsey: Thanks a lot for the invite. The Peacedogman site is one of the web's absolute best reads!
Popoff: Thanks to Peacedogman.com for coming up with this fruity poptastic idea. Like many of the things o'er here, it's fresh, interesting, and not without humour. I'd advise people to get over here and do some clicking. There's no telling what you'll find (barely) hidden away... my personal fave: Essential Albums. Heh heh... thanks again guys!
Marchman: No problem. I'd also recommend Peacedoggie readers check out Martin's book, The Collector's Guide to Heavy Metal: Volume 1: The Seventies. I picked up a copy a couple of weeks ago, and have been nose-deep ever since. You'll find that it's all there from LUCIFER'S FRIEND to JERICHO and everything in-between. Martin's nose for quality is exceedingly sharp, and his reverence for the early punk albums in the book is a nice touch as well. Find out more and score a copy at Martin's site.
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